I just wrote this article: Letter to Lee Eung-tae. Is there some way to get the old Korean lettering to display in blocks properly? I think maybe there's some text encoding stuff at play that I don't understand. For example, Hunminjeongeum has old Korean text that shows up as boxes with x's in them on my Mac. Maybe that's the lettering in blocks that I need, but I wouldn't know where to begin in 1. getting that to show up on my Mac, and 2. how to translate the stilted lettering I have into blocks. toobigtokale (talk) 14:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah darn, I just got back to my Windows PC. It displays fine on Windows; it was a Mac thing. toobigtokale (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § About adding a link to each hangul syllable using Template:Linktext. 172.56.232.220 (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Responded, but others please give this a read too. toobigtokale (talk) 00:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

It has been a week. Any more comments? It is a bit long, but please give it a read and leave a comment there. 172.56.232.26 (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It has been two weeks. Any more comments? 172.56.232.84 (talk) 20:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I originally thought of waiting for a month, but it looks like I don't even need to wait that long. Unless something unusual happens, on February 1 (that is three weeks since I opened the discussion), I will add what I wrote on that discussion page to the MOS-KO page and make a bot request. 172.56.232.202 (talk) 17:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Correction and clarification: (Unless something unusual happens,) I will close the discussion at 23:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC); the edit and the bot request will be made after that. 172.56.232.216 (talk) 04:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

About 24 hours left. Nothing unusual happened so far. 172.56.232.125 (talk) 23:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Discussion closed. 172.56.232.167 (talk) 00:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

This article has been in need of a fix up for a long time. Is someone willing to step up and work on it? toobigtokale (talk) 11:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Seoul municipal gov't should hire a Wikipedian-in-residence to deal with this and related. I know, wishful thinking here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Can one, or some, of you have a look at this article and the recent history? I have no idea what's going on or why the stakes seem to be so high--but in my experience article improvement is the best way to prevent disruption. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies Not sure what is going there either, but I've added the obvious {{morefootnotes}} _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Vital is looking for more folks to opine on what are the most important articles on Wikipedia and at V5 is trying to create a corpus of 50k most important topics. Perhaps you'd be interested in discussions such as Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5/History_and_geography#North_Korean_cities and similar. Cheers, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I stumbled upon this stub: Eulji Mundeok Hansi. Is this really the oldest poem as the article claims? Big if true moment. I feel like it can't be; it's probably from the 7th century or later, and we have a reasonable amount of writing from before that era. Even regular writing could have been seen as poetry based on how old Chinese worked. I gave it a quick Google but if someone's willing to take it up that'd be appreciated toobigtokale (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Article claims second oldest; shrug, it is totally unreferenced. Tagged as such, moving on unless you think it is a hoax? No ko interwiki even :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

An IP asked a valuable question here that's been bugging me too.

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)#Question

Can we get momentum to change the policy to allow MR markings? I don't get why articles about other countries get to have markings and we don't. toobigtokale (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello? Can we please get more input on this? This is a pretty significant issue. toobigtokale (talk) 07:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Commented. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

A post on this article's talk page suggests this article stops at 1905 when the facts show a continuation until 1945. Perhaps some of the project's members can expand this article to improve its coverage. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 11:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

North Korea, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Sagflaps (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chaoxianzu#Requested move 14 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Proposal to formally allow removals of unnecessary RR and MR values in various Korean-related templates. 172.56.232.186 (talk) 02:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi all,

Two articles currently (9 am UTC) link to this en.wp redlink

• Cabinet of Rhee Syng-man
• List of members of the National Assembly (South Korea), 1950–1954

The "Lee" suggests that that person's family name is Lee (Korean surname).

A note in a Yonhap News Agency reference (in French) of 23 May 2023 here suggests the hanja for this person is "李甲成", who was born 1889 - died 1981.

Your opinions and advice about this?

Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 11:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't really understand what your question is; can you rephrase? toobigtokale (talk) 11:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kim Ju-ae#Requested move 26 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:United Kingdom–Korea Treaty of 1883#Requested move 27 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

You may have noticed I've been using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to edit the formatting of references on thousands of Korea-related articles. I wrote a custom find+replace script to do this.

Scope:

• Author names
  • Removes some spurious first/last names (dates/timestamps in names, or the names of newspapers instead of people)
  • Splits entire Hangul names squeezed into the last= into last=... |first=
    • Currently when the entire name is squeezed into author=, I leave this alone.
  • Removes the term "기자" ("reporter") from first/last/author params.
• Publication names
  • Fixes some typos or spelling variations
  • Links to Wikipedia article if it exists
  • Currently includes many Korean publications, publishers, and organizations (government and private), as well as major Japanese newspapers
• Titles of articles
  • Removes some unnecessary artifacts in titles, namely repeating the name of the publication.
• Language tag: fixes language=kr to language=ko. "KR" corresponds to Kanuri language, not Korean.

Sorry for editing some pages several times with this script; I'm still actively developing it (I tweak the script every few pages basically), so it's changed greatly since I first started running it.

Please let me know ASAP if you disagree with any edits or spot any mistakes. I tried to make the features uncontroversial. While AWB is semi-automatic (I look at and manually approve every edit), I may still occasionally overlook things. I've gone back and manually fixed things when I misclicked. toobigtokale (talk) 03:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to request that I run the script on any page/pages, please let me know. I may not get to running this on every single Korea-related page (I currently discover the pages by recursively searching categories), but I try to prioritize major pages first. toobigtokale (talk) 03:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Almost a week since you started this your WP:COSMETICBOT/WP:MEATBOT edits via AWB, will this ever be completed as I see no end to this given that instead of running once per articles, you have been running your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT twice on certain articles (to cherrypick few examples out of more than 100: Red Velvet, Pentagon, Shinee, Nam Ji-hyun, Park Gyu-ri) and even ridiculously 5 times on Ok Taec-yeon. Clearly doing a fuzzy search category by category is not working. In addition, I also noted that you have been adding additional rule to your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT instead of having a clear fixed scope which should have been the case prior to starting the first edit. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the feedback. You're definitely right that there is a scope creep problem; I've been getting greedy with fixing more and more things over time. It does need to stop at some point; I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest. Maybe I'll rerun it periodically on new articles, but that's it.

While some of these changes are purely cosmetic, linking Wikipedia articles for publication names (which was my original purpose before scope creep) I'd argue is helpful. I started doing this because I've had several different discussions on Wiki where someone questioned the reliability of a major South Korean newspaper because they didn't recognize it; I'm hoping this contributes to transparency when people look at sources. Furthermore, I've also noticed several cases where unreliable sources are frequently being used on Wikipedia that are harder to spot (particularly OhmyNews). And for controversial topics I think having the links handy for easily scrutinizing sources is nice.

Again, I'll start dialing it back. Thanks for calling me out; I don't want to be disruptive, only helpful. toobigtokale (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Thanks for the speedy reply. May I have an estimated timeline when "I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest" would be completed, end of this week i.e. 10 March 2024. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I think 10 March 2024 is reasonable. I'll start looking into getting that running. There's around 50k articles in WPK, so I'll need a few days to get through that stack probably. toobigtokale (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale Noted, thanks you! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Toobigtokale, you really did great. Happy editing! — 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 04:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI, this may be helpful:

• insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=기자/ returns 303 results as of this writing.
  • adding [^\|\}]* right before 기자 would return more results, but this throws a timeout error.

Also, you may want to look for the string 뉴스 in the |last=, |first=, or |author= parameter. Simply replace 기자 with 뉴스 in the regex above.

I found some erroneous changes:

• |last=뉴 |first=스1 (currently in Park Jeong-ja (actress) and Park Shin-hye)
• |last=뉴 |first=스 |first=JTBC (currently in Kim Dong-young (actor))
• |last=뉴 |first=스,SBS연예뉴스|first=SBS (currently in Goo Hara)

172.56.232.225 (talk) 15:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, will take a look soon. toobigtokale (talk) 20:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I think I got almost all of both cases. Please let me know if you get more ideas for things to fix. toobigtokale (talk) 07:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

There are cases like |first=성규환 부산닷컴 기자 (in 2019 MBC Entertainment Awards) and |last=스타뉴스 (in Volume Up (EP)), but a regex search using [^\|\}]* or [^\|\}]+ throws a timeout error. 172.56.232.215 (talk) 17:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I found two erroneous changes:

• |last=기 |first=호일보 (in Bundang)
• |last=뉴 |first=스엔 (in Lee Jin-wook)

Also, this is quite interesting:

• insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=재배포/

172.56.232.215 (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The 성규환 example is an interesting one; I've seen its format around but haven't yet taken a deep look at it yet. It follows this pattern of |last=[some email address] |first=[name and usually some misc text]. I have to think through how to write a regex for it. I've noticed it maybe 10-20 times over all of my edits. If you can help me with writing a regex for it I'd appreciate it; otherwise I may get to it later, as it's a little infrequent. toobigtokale (talk) 03:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

A regex search like insource:/(last|first|author)[0-9]?[0-9]?=[^\|\}]*기자/ should work, but MediaWiki throws a timeout error. 172.56.232.215 (talk) 20:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Paper9oll, @Remsense and others, I've finished a bit ahead of schedule. There are actually around 33k articles on WPK, although my script only made changes on around half of them (many are too small or uncited). I still kept making additions while running the script, so some earlier pages (alphabetically sorted) don't have my later ones, but those are mostly cosmetic or minor changes. But I'll wait at least a year (lmk if I should wait longer) until I rerun this on any significant scale.

You may see me still running AWB, although I'll either be:

1. Running it for a different primary purpose, although this script's features are general so I may still run it anyway
2. Running it for a new page or a page that's since changed significantly

Future:

• Fixing mistakes. I'll be looking out for them, but if you ever spot any, please ping me and I'll be happy to fix it.
  • One particular culprit is mixing up The Korea Times vs. The Korea Times (Los Angeles). I may run through "what links here" articles for both of these and fix everything up in near future.
• There's still some unrelated AWB tasks for Korea-related pages that could be run. For example, as Remsense pointed out here (User talk:Toobigtokale#AWB to tag CJK text) automatically wrapping Korean text, perhaps by using Template:Korean (benefits of this explained on template page). However, to my understanding the impact of this is minor; won't make a significant impact on how almost all users will see pages.
  • I'm unlikely to do large-scale edits like this in the near future though.

Thanks for the feedback all. Hopefully these changes are helpful. toobigtokale (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Also to the IP user; I really think you should just make an account. I see you've been manually making dozens of changes that'd be easy to do with AWB, and AWB requires an account with adequate reputation. You'd be great with the program. You wouldn't have to stick with your account long term; just gain enough reputation to earn AWB privileges (I'm happy to vouch for you) and just use the account for AWB.

My understanding of WP:SOCKPUPPET tells me that if you want to edit on controversial topics, you're free to log out of your account and do so. As long as you're constructive while logged out and do not pretend to be multiple people to create the illusion of consensus, that wouldn't be considered sockpuppeting. toobigtokale (talk) 02:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, I originally didn't plan (and still am not planning) to stay here long. I appreciate your recommendation, but still not sure about that. 172.56.232.215 (talk) 07:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I recently noticed that Spacestationtrustfund moved lots of pages in 2022. Since article titles are supposed to follow whatever is common in English, it looks like these moves need to be reviewed. 172.56.232.225 (talk) 15:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Park Chanyeol#Requested move 1 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 08:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoo Hae-jin#Requested move 25 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 14:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

When you plug Encyclopedia of Korean Culture links into VisualEditor's automatic citation generator, you should now get more fleshed out references. I wrote a script last year for this, and it's finally been merged into Wikipedia. toobigtokale (talk) 11:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! 00101984hjw (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lisa (South Korean singer)#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Oh Se-hun#Requested move 8 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 17:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

An editor has requested that List of Korean films of 1919–1948 be moved to List of films produced in Korea under Japanese rule, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. toobigtokale (talk) 04:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

This discussion still needs one or two more participants. Please help out. @Piotrus can you give some input? toobigtokale (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles § Thinking about removing Wiktionary links in some cases. 172.56.232.35 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of Template:Expand Korean and similar. As respectfully as possible (there are many good editors fighting against the tide), the Korean Wikipedia has a systemic issue with poor sourcing; possibly influenced by Namuwiki. I think it can be nice to look at for ideas or book/source recommendations, but encouraging people to translate it I think brings their issues over to the English Wikipedia. toobigtokale (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I tell my students to find references for uncited content before translating. Overall I don't see a problem - if someone translates unreferenced content we feel is iffy, it can be removed per WP:V. But some content there is well referenced. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Definitely sympathetic to your points; wanted to record my doubt for others to see, as well as to spark any discourse. I will say most people won't be as careful/nuanced as you are with your instructions to your students. As we speak I'm on the front lines of cleaning up a lot of unsourced information that was often ported over from the kowiki 😅. It's a lot of work that I'd rather people didn't create more of. toobigtokale (talk) 23:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Frankly, I am more concerned about improperly referenced content. I fear many people - including my students - are adding references that do not fully back up the text they are attached too. Cleaning up unreferenced content is only the tip of the iceberg :( Frankly, after 20 years here, I believe that unless the article is GA+ or has been written primarily by an experienced trustworthy editor, much of the content that appears referenced probably isn't :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:East Asian Gothic typeface#Requested move 27 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense诉 19:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed that in many infoboxes for Korean monarchs, their name is written in Hangul/Hanja as "[State] [Name]", for example "고려 성종" ("Goryeo Seongjong").

But I've never really seen a similar naming pattern used in Korean to describe kings like this. For example, the string "고려 성종" does not appear a single time on ko:성종 (고려).

I feel like this may have been artificially done to match the English naming pattern ("[Name] of [State]"), but I feel like this gives misleading emphasis on the use of this kind of naming pattern in Korean.

Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern. toobigtokale (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Liancourt Rocks#Requested move 7 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense诉 13:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Liberal Unification Party#Requested move 12 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dare to Love Me (TV series)#Requested move 17 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 08:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)