Template_talk:Contentious_topics

Template talk:Contentious topics

Template talk:Contentious topics


Antisemitism, Nazis, Hitler, Poland, Lithuania

None of those terms appear in Template:Contentious topics/list, but "Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland" (now also extended to include Lithuania as of Jan. 2024) seems to be a CTOP, that even has unusual "extended confirmed" and "reliable source consensus-required" restrictions, per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland and amendment thereto. At least Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe (as amended) is covered, but the Poland case is missing.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  09:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Consider using Module:Sanctions?

I did some work in Module:Sanctions/sandbox (and Module:Sanctions/data/sandbox) to add support for ArbCom sanctions to the module. I want to suggest to ArbCom that maybe they use this or a similar module for contentious topics? It would reduce the amount of overhead from the current system of templates and whatnot when a sanction is added, modified, or removed, as well as allow for one set of templates to be used for both community and arbitration designated contentious topics. There is consensus at Special:PermaLink/1219827352#RfC:_Converting_all_current_and_future_community_discretionary_sanctions_to_(community_designated)_contentious_topics_procedure to update the terminology used for community sanctions, but no consensus for the specific details. I just wanted to bring this up as having single templates able to handle a wide variety of cases is better than having multiple fragmented templates only able to handle single cases. Awesome Aasim 00:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't oppose the idea of using a centralised Module:Sanctions if the community system is either largely or completely based on WP:CTOP. If the system is modified, then using a centralised module may make the module more complicated than it was when two template systems existed.
I think more work is needed to support all the use cases of the Template:Contentious topics family of templates. For example, Template:Contentious topics/page restriction talk notice has a placed-date parameter that would need to be supported and doesn't seem to be supported in that module. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
@Dreamy Jazz Do you want to maybe add those features into the sandbox version of that module? Awesome Aasim 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
I don't really have that much experience with Lua, so I'll need to take a look into the docs before I could comfortably make those modifications.
I would also say that the {{Contentious topics/alert/first}} text shouldn't be changed and I would note that the text in the buildFirstAlert method has been modified slightly. Is also seems to need further changes if this template was used for community first alerts. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 22:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
@Dreamy Jazz I think the wording might have changed slightly in the alert/first text since then that were not reflected in "buildFirstAlert". I think unifying the modules would be a great idea.
Also, wouldn't WP:GS/RUSUKR fall additionally under WP:CT/EE? Awesome Aasim 00:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Not fully. The community authorised general sanctions impose a topic-wide extended confirmed restriction, which means that we would still need to have them both. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 08:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Through experimenting in June 2023, I found that {{Alert/first}} and {{Alert/DS}} get their list of CTOP areas from one place, and {{Alert}} gets its list from somewhere else. Whatever we do, I'd like to encourage us to unify these to all use the same source of data. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

APL?

I was surprised to notice today that we apparently don't have a code for WP:APL in this template. It is technically a strict subset of EE, but given that more stringent restrictions apply for it, it seems like it should have its own notification. signed, Rosguill talk 17:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I was able to add it to the list, but I'm uncertain how to get it to render the 500/30 restriction text the way that a-i and aa do. signed, Rosguill talk 17:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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